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Post  alasdair69 on December 30th 2010, 11:44 pm

How To Be OCD In Three Easy Steps:
Step 1: See where someone posted a download link for a WhoreMaster girl pack and, out of curiosity, check out the site to see what sort of packs they have; notice that they’ve covered several of the girls on our lists.
Step 2: Spend a couple of days downloading EVERYSINGLEPACK on the entire site.
Step 3: Spend over a week sorting through all the pics, narrowing them down to the ones with acceptable content (if not necessarily quality), organizing those by source and girl, web searching for titles/full names/nicknames/potential Western origins, etc. and comparing and contrasting with the Master Lists as you go.
Step 4 (optional, but recommended): Then, just to be a completist (and since they’re sister games set in parallel versions of the same world, after all), check the SlaveMaker wiki and download and play around with v3.5 to include all the girls they used as well.

I swear, the things I do for this game. I have looked at, then promptly deleted, literally tens of thousands of crappy pics, pics with objectionable content (some seriously so), pics that weren’t of who they said they were supposed to be and oh so many duplicates. But in the final analysis, I ended up with a few to a lot of pics for almost all of the Blue girls, about half of the Green ones, somewhere between a quarter and a third of the Yellow ones and approximately one in six of the Black ones, along with 225 girls who weren’t on any of the lists. Including, I should point out, eight MORE Fire Emblem girls and three more Touhou girls (Cellica, Ellis [Elice], Fiona, Heather, Lena [Rena], Malliesia, Vaida and Vika and Lily Black, Maribel Han and Renko Usami respectively, for those who were curious) for a total of 115 of one and 73 of the other, accounting for just over 12.5% of the new 1482 girl total just between those two sources.

At any rate, I’m still not finished sorting and collating but I’m at least far enough along that I could update the lists here with both the fruits of my efforts and the normal, everyday additions from general suggestions and Vava’s image packs for everyone else’s perusal. As usual, I’ll give a brief (*snork*) summary of the changes I made so no one has to dig through the lists to find them all.

The following 21 girls have been added to the Black section:

Aria: Alicia ‘Snow White’ Florence
Bleach: Lisa Yadomaru
Castlevania - Order of Ecclesia: Shanoa
Emma - A Victorian Romance: Emma
Fire Emblem - Hasha no Tsurugi (manga): Jemmie
Fresh Pretty Cure!: Inori ‘Cure Pine’ Yamabuki, Love ‘Cure Peach/Angel’ Momozono, Miki ‘Cure Berry’ Aono
Haunting Ground: Daniella
His and Her Circumstances: Yukino Miyazawa
iDOLM@STER 02: Ami Futami, Mami Futami
Iria - Zeiram the Animation: Iria
Pani Poni Dash!: Akane Serizawa
Ranma ½: Azusa Shiratori
Revolutionary Girl Utena: Utena Tenjou
Sakura Wars: Ci Caprice
Trigun: Milly Thompson
Valkyrie Profile: Aelia, Mystina
Words Worth: Rita

These 71 girls were already on the Black list but have now been upgraded to the Yellow section:

Bakemonogatari: Hitagi Senjogahara
Black Lagoon: Balalaika, Rebecca ‘Revy Two Hands’
BlazBlue: Makoto Nanaya
Bleach: Hiyori Sarugaki, Isane Kotetsu
Claymore: Clare
Cowboy Bebop: Francoise ‘Edward Wong Hau Pepelu Tivrusky IV’ Appledehli
D. Gray-man: Lenalee Lee
Dead or Alive: Hitomi
Devil May Cry: Lady/Mary, Trish/Gloria
Excel Saga: Hyatt/Chihaya Ayasugi
Fairy Tale: Erza Scarlet
Final Fantasy 08: Fujin, Ultimecia
Final Fantasy 12: Penelo
Final Fantasy 13: Clair ‘Lightning’ Farron, Jihl Nabaat, Oerba Dia Vanille, Serah Farron
Fire Emblem - Path of Radiance: Elincia Ridell Crimea
Fullmetal Alchemist: Lust
Ga-Rei - Zero: Yomi Isayama
GeGeGe no Kitaro: Neko Musume
Genshiken: Chika Ogiue, Kanako Ohno
God Eater: Alisa Irinichina Amiera
Guilty Gear XX: Jam Kuradoberi
Gundam – Anno Domini (Mobile Suit Gundam 00): Christina Sierra
Gundam – Cosmic Era (Mobile Suit Gundam SEED): Cagalli Yula Athha
Kampfer: Natsuru Senou
Kenichi – The Mightiest Disciple: Kisara Nanjo
Kiddy Grade: Éclair
Last Exile: Lavie Head
Lost Universe: Canal Vorfeed
Mabinogi: Nao Mariota Pryderi
Magic Knight Rayearth: Hikaru Shidou
Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS: Subaru Nakajima
Mahoromatic: Mahoro Andou
My-HiME: Nao Yuuki
Nurarihyon no Mago: Yuki-Onna 'Tsurara Oikawa'
Odin Sphere: Velvet
Phantasy Star 02: Nei
Pokemon - Gen I (Red and Blue): Erika
Pokemon - Gen II (Adventures manga): Crystal/Marina
Pokemon - Gen II (Gold and Silver): Jasmine [Mikan]
Record of Lodoss War: Pirotess
Shadow Hearts - Covenant: Karin Koenig
Shuffle: Nerine/Lycoris
Skies of Arcadia: Aika Thompson, Fina
Super Robot Wars: Armana Tikvah, Aschen Brodel, Aya Kobayashi, Suzuka-Hime
Taimanin Asagi: Asagi Igawa
Tales of the Abyss: Tear Grants/Mystearica Aura Fende
Tenjho Tenge: Emi Isuzu
To Aru Majutsu no Index: Kaori Kanzaki, Mikoto Misaka
Tsukiyomi - Moon Phase: Hazuki
Urusei Yatsura: Lum [Ramu] Invader
Vandread: Dita Liebely, Jura Basil Elden, Meia Gisborn
When the Cicadas Cry: Rena Ryuugu
Xenosaga: Shion Uzuki
Zoids – Chaotic Century: Elisi ‘Fiona [Fine]’ Linette
Zoids - New Century Zero: Leena Toros, Naomi Fluegel

And now for the fun part. All told, 283(!!) girls were added straight to the Yellow section, making this the largest single update to the lists ever and personally I’m in no big hurry to try and top it.

After...: Kanami Shiomiya
Aim for the Top! (Gunbuster): Noriko Takaya
Angel Beats: Kanade ‘Angel’ Tachibana
Arcana Heart: Lilica Felchenerow
Banner of the Stars: Abriel Nei Debrusc Borl Paryun Lafiel
Black Lagoon: Frederica Sawyer 'the Cleaner'
Black Rock Shooter: Black Rock Shooter
Bleach: Apacci, Chizuru Honsho, Cirucci Sanderwicci/Thunderwitch, Haineko, Katen Kyokotsu, Lilynette Gingerback, Loly Aiverrne, Mashiro Kuna, Mila Rose, Saru/Zabimaru, Sode no Shirayuki, Sung-Sun
Case Closed: Ai Haibara/Shiho Miyano, Eri Kisaki, Kazuha Toyama, Miwako Sato, Sonoko Suzuki, Yukiko Kudo
Chrono Cross: Harle
Chrono Trigger: Ayla [Eira], Lucca, Nadia [Marledia]/Marle
D. Gray-man: Road Kamelot
Da Capo 02: Nanaka Shirakawa
Dark Chapel: Karen
Darker Than Black: Suou Pavlichenko
Demon Detective Neuro Nogami: Yako Katsuragi
Fight Ipattsu! Juuden-Chan!: Plug Cryostat
Fire Emblem - Dark Dragon and Sword of Light: Caeda [Shiida], Catria [Katua], Ellis [Elice], Est, Lena [Rena], Linde, Maria, Midia, Minerva, Nina [Nyna], Paola [Palla/Paora], Tiki
Fire Emblem - Gaiden: Cellica, Jenny/Jeni
Fire Emblem - Genealogy of the Holy War: Aideen [Adean], Briggid, Ethlin, Fury [Ferry], Ira, Ishtar, Julia [Yuria], Lachesis [Rackesis], Lakche, Lana [Rana], Mahnya, Nanna, Patty, Phee, Sylvia, Tiltyu [Tailto]
Fire Emblem - Hasha no Tsurugi (manga): Tiena
Fire Emblem - Mystery of the Emblem: Feena, Malliesia, Sheema, Yumina
Fire Emblem - Path of Radiance: Astrid, Elincia Ridell Crimea, Ena, Jill Fizzart, Petrine, Sigrun, Tanith
Fire Emblem - Radiant Dawn: Fiona, Heather, Laura, Vika
Fire Emblem - Sacred Stones: L'Arachel, Lute, Myrrh, Natasha, Neimi, Selena [Celina], Syrene, Tethys, Vanessa
Fire Emblem - Sword of Flame: Guinevere, Isadora, Karla, Leila, Limstella, Louise, Priscilla, Rebecca, Sonia, Ursula, Vaida
Fire Emblem - Sword of Seals: Brunya/Brenya, Cath/Cass, Clarine, Echidna, Ellen, Fae [Fa], Fir, Idoun [Idenn], Igrene, Lilina, Sophia [Sophiya], Sue, Tate [Thite], Thany, Wendy, Yuno [Juno]
Fire Emblem - Thracia 776: Eda, Karin, Linoan, Mareeta, Miranda, Olwen, Sara, Selfina, Tanya, Tina
Fresh Pretty Cure: Setsuna ‘Cure Passion/Eas [Isu]’ Higashi
Full Metal Panic!: Kaname Chidori
Giant Robo - The Day The Earth Stood Still: Ginrei von Fogler
Grandia 02: Millenia
Guilty Gear XX: A.B.A, Baiken, May, Millia Rage
Gundam - Anno Domini (Mobile Suit Gundam 00): Anew Returner, Feldt Grace, Louise Halevy's Mother/Madre, Marina Ismail, Nena Trinity, Soma Peries
Gundam - Cosmic Era (Gundam SEED/Destiny): Miriallia Haw
Gundam - Universal Century (Mobile Suit Gundam): Frau Bow
Gundam – Universal Century (Mobile Suit Gundam 0080 – War in the Pocket): Christina Mackenzie
Gundam - Universal Century (Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory): Nina Purpleton
Gundam - Universal Century (Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team): Aina Sahalin
Gundam - Universal Century (Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn): Marida Cruz
Gundam – Universal Century (Mobile Suit Victory Gundam): Katejina Loos
Gundam - Universal Century (Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam/Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ): Fa Yuiry
Gundam - Universal Century (Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam/Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn): Mineva Lao Zabi
Haunting Ground: Fiona Belli
House of the Dead-EX: Zobiko
iDOLM@STER 02: Haruka Amami, Hibiki Ganaha, Ritsuko Akizuki, Takane Shijo
Kaleido Star: Rosetta Passel, Sora Naegino
Kangoku Senkan: Naomi Evans
Kanon: Akiko Minase
Kiddy Grade: Lumiere
Kono Aozora ni Yakusoku o: Miyaho Rokujo, Naoko Asakura, Rinna Sawaki, Saeri Kirishima, Shizu Fujimura, Umi Hayama
Legend of the Unemployed Ninja: Shino
Little Busters: Yuiko Kurugaya
Love Hina: Kanako Urashima, Mei Narusegawa
Love Plus: Manaka Takane, Nene Anegasaki
Magic Knight Rayearth: Fuu Hououji
Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS: Ginga Nakajima, Hayate Yagami, Teana Lanster
Mahoromatic: Minawa Andou
Mahou Shoujo Ai: Ai Kagano, Megu Kagano
Maria Watches Over Us: Shimako Todo
Mayoi Neko Overrun!: Nozomi Kiriya
Mega Man Zero: Ciel
Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya: Ryoko Asakura
My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute: Ayase Aragaki, Kirino Kousaka, Manami Tamura, Ruri Gokou
Naruto Shippuuden: Kin Tsuchi, Konan, Samui
Neon Genesis Evangelion: Maya Ibuki
Ninja Gaiden 2004: Rachel
Nitro Royale - Heroines Duel: Ignis
One Piece: Sadi-chan, Tashigi
OS-tan: 2K, 95, 98, ME, Vista, XP, XP Home
PangYa: Arin, Cecilia, Hana
Please Twins!: Karen Onodera, Miina Miyafuji
Pokemon - Gen II (Adventures manga): Crystal/Marina
Pokemon - Gen V (Black and White): Fuuro, Kamitsure
Princess Resurrection: Hime/Lilliane
Queen Bonjourno: Julietto
Queen's Blade: Irma, Melona, Nyx, Ymir
Rurouni Kenshin: Kaoru Kamiya
Sakura Wars: Ayame Fujieda, Erica Fontaine, Gemini/Geminine Sunrise, Glycine Bleumer, Hanabi Kitaoji, Kanna Kirishima, Leni Michstraße, Li Kohran, Lobelia Carlini, Maria Tachibana, Mell Raison, Orihime Soletta, Ratchet Altair, Sakura Shinguji, Suiko/Saki Kageyama, Sumire Kanzaki
Shadow Hearts: Shania
Silent Hill 03: Heather Mason
Sister x Sister - Lovevery Sisters: Aika Nishizono
Space Channel 5: Ulala
Star Ocean - The Last Hope: Myuria Tionysus, Reimi Saionji
Star Ocean - The Second Story: Rena Lanford
Street Fighter Alpha series: Ingrid, Karin Kanzuki, Rose
Street Fighter III series: Makoto
Street Fighter IV series: Crimson Viper/Maya, Juri Han
Suikoden 02: Sierra Mikain
Suikoden 03: Chris Lightfellow
Suikoden 05: Miakis
Super Robot Wars: Xiaomu
SweetHome: Chinatsu Furuhashi
Tales of Graces: Cheria Barnes
Tales of Phantasia: Arche Klein, Mint Adenade
Tales of the Abyss: Natalia Luzu Kimlasca Lanvaldear
Tales of Vesperia: Estellise Sidos 'Estelle' Heurassein, Judith
Tenchi Muyo: Tsunami
Tenchi Muyo GXP: Kiriko Masaki, Ryoko Balta
The Sacred Blacksmith: Cecily Cambell
To Heart 02: Tamaki Kosaka
Touhou: Lily Black, Maribel Han, Renko Usami
Trigun: Meryl Stryfe
Valkyria Chronicles: Edy Nelson, Alicia Melchiott
Viper GTS: Carrera
Viper RSR: Cala
Viper V16 – Rise: Akira Honjoji
Vocaloid 01: Sweet Ann
Vocaloid 02: Megpoid-Gumi
We are Pretty Cure: Hannah ‘Cure White’ Whitehouse [Honoka Yukishiro], Natalie ’Cure Black’ Blackstone [Nagisa Misumi]
When the Seagulls Cry: Ange Ushiromiya (1998 version), Beatrice
Wild Arms 03: Virginia Maxwell
Wild Arms 05: Rebecca Streisand
xxxHolic: Yuko Ichihara
Yggdra Union: Elena, Neitzche, Yggdra Yuril Artwaltz
YuGiOh!: Mana

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Re: Master List of Included and Suggested SimBrothel Girls

Post  alasdair69 on December 31st 2010, 12:07 am

Right, now that that's out of the way, there are a couple of real quick points I'd like to bring up for general discussion.

First, after digging through all those WhoreMaster pics (seems they actually have a 'lesbian' category as a requirement) I'm seriously considering easing up on the rules about Switch Hitter pics and allowing ones where the other female is someone recognizable so long as it's not someone else who's on the lists. The reasons for this are two-fold: While there's a ton of sapphic shots out there for just about every female character they're almost exclusively with other women from the same show or game (I don't think I've seen a single anonymous female in a fanpic, compared to something like a bazillion anonymous males), which segues quite nicely into my second reason. When looking at girl on girl pics from shows I've watched I kept catching myself thinking something along the lines of, "Heh, I always figured something like that was going on when no one was looking." I mean let's face it, since most anime viewers and game players are guys and guys like girl on girl, or at least the possibility of it, there tends to be a lot of implications snuck past the censors that are never actually acted upon in order to stay on the air or keep their rating. It just seems to me that allowing Switch Hitter pics with recognizable females when necessary would not only make the Trait easier to include but also cater to that whole 'holy shit, that's Fran!' thing I mentioned way back when as one of the main reasons I fell in love with this game. What do you guys think?

Also, keeping track of which specific Gundam show a certain character hails from on the lists has really started being a pain in the ass, it just takes up so much space. Obviously, I need to know the details for things like their ages because I have to fit them into a timeline based on the show they appeared in but for the purposes of the lists here on the forum is it really necessary to list them all out like I have been? I can't imagine it would be, but I figured I'd pitch the idea of just listing them by timeline alone past people who have actually seen the shows to see if there's any pressing reason to keep doing it as I have been.

Oh, and leave it to Vava. The SimBro forum is just about the last place I ever expected to see Kierkegaard quoted. *snork*

Welp, that's about all the news that's fit to print right now. I think I'm going to go watch some anime or something to wipe the memory of lots of really, really bad art from my brain and then actually get started on something vaguely resembling the game model again. Like I was hoping to be doing over a week ago before my little OCD fit kicked in. *rolls eyes*

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Re: Master List of Included and Suggested SimBrothel Girls

Post  Joshua on December 31st 2010, 1:23 am

oh shit, i triggered an OCD attack on alsa, sorry mate.

you actually added umineko people to list? really? where those in whoremaster somewhere or did you actually bother to look for them?

Gundam:
Universal Century, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Century#Chronology

UC is the only one to have a lot of different gundam things in one time line, and with each new gundam trying to connect the universes is becoming harder.

all other time lines are mostly independent, they only time line to have more then one show is Cosmic Era with SEED and SEED destiny (i dont really count them since they have the same major characters.)

it is generally believed however that eventually all the timelines meet up with correct century / turn A gundam (where the turn A is a Deus ex Machina in itself, it can freaking wipe out all technology from earth to jupiter in one swoop not to mention do anything, loran even used it as a freaking washing machine once)

however i think you do not need to include the time line, i think the name like Gundam 00 would be enough.

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Re: Master List of Included and Suggested SimBrothel Girls

Post  alasdair69 on December 31st 2010, 1:56 am

Joshua wrote:oh shit, i triggered an OCD attack on alsa
Yes, yes you did. Well, actually my curiosity about what girls they had in those packs and then my reaction when I saw so many of the same names we were using triggered it, but I still blame you. It’s more fun that way. Razz


Joshua wrote:you actually added umineko people to list? really? where those in whoremaster somewhere or did you actually bother to look for them?
They were part of the WhoreMaster Horde (tm). I did do some research on the two characters involved (Ange and Beatrice) to verify ages and identities (in other words, make sure I had their full names, etc.) but when blood started coming out of my ears I decided to hang it up. *snork* Seriously, and I thought Higurashi was complicated? It’s got nothing on Umineko. Speaking of which, I think I’m finally going to break down and start referring to them as Higurashi and Umineko since those names are more distinctive between themselves than When the Cicadas Cry and When the Seagulls Cry. (Or When the Game Designers Cry, which was pretty much the result of trying to sort out exactly who the hells Beatrice really is, IF she’s actually anyone at all.)


Joshua wrote:Gundam:
Universal Century, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Century#Chronology

UC is the only one to have a lot of different gundam things in one time line, and with each new gundam trying to connect the universes is becoming harder.

all other time lines are mostly independent, they only time line to have more then one show is Cosmic Era with SEED and SEED destiny (i dont really count them since they have the same major characters.)

it is generally believed however that eventually all the timelines meet up with correct century / turn A gundam (where the turn A is a Deus ex Machina in itself, it can freaking wipe out all technology from earth to jupiter in one swoop not to mention do anything, loran even used it as a freaking washing machine once)

however i think you do not need to include the time line, i think the name like Gundam 00 would be enough.
Yah, I know about Turn A Gundam and the re-converging timelines and all, it’s just irrelevant for our purposes; for the duration of the shows in question the timelines are separate and that’s all that really matters. And you’re right in that the Universal Century continuity is the only one that’s causing a problem (if you want to call it a problem) but citing the girls by show as you suggest wouldn’t fix it. It’s really just a matter of trying to keep the lists concise and easy to find stuff on, as well as helping pinpoint which girls are in the same canon, which is why I’m considering listing them by continuity only (which I meant to clarify in my previous post but was still too brain-fried from sorting all those girls). It would more or less be the difference between this:

alasdair69 wrote:Gundam - Universal Century (Mobile Suit Gundam): Frau Bow
Gundam – Universal Century (Mobile Suit Gundam 0080 – War in the Pocket): Christina Mackenzie
Gundam - Universal Century (Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory): Nina Purpleton
Gundam - Universal Century (Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn): Marida Cruz
Gundam - Universal Century (Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team): Aina Sahalin
Gundam – Universal Century (Mobile Suit Victory Gundam): Katejina Loos
Gundam - Universal Century (Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam/Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ): Fa Yuiry
Gundam - Universal Century (Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam/Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn): Mineva Lao Zabi
Gundam – Universal Century (Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ): Haman Karn, Roux Luka, Sayla Mass/Artesia Som Deikun

And this:

alasdair69 wrote:Gundam - Universal Century: Aina Sahalin, Christina Mackenzie, Fa Yuiry, Frau Bow, Haman Karn, Katejina Loos, Marida Cruz, Mineva Lao Zabi, Nina Purpleton, Roux Luka, Sayla Mass/Artesia Som Deikun

If you were skimming the list, which one would you rather have to read?

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Re: Master List of Included and Suggested SimBrothel Girls

Post  Joshua on December 31st 2010, 12:06 pm

yea thats a lot shorter feel free to shorten it (i think everybody is ok with that)

anyway i love the irony, you ask who the hell beatrice is on the day umineko 8 comes out, which is ment to be the ending. oh and there are three beatrices take your pic which one do you want to know about? (i all ready now the answer but still Twisted Evil)

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Post  Vava on December 31st 2010, 1:01 pm

First, I saw this:

alasdair69 wrote:I swear, the things I do for this game. I have looked at, then promptly deleted, literally tens of thousands of crappy pics, pics with objectionable content (some seriously so), pics that weren’t of who they said they were supposed to be and oh so many duplicates. But in the final analysis, I ended up with a few to a lot of pics for almost all of the Blue girls, about half of the Green ones, somewhere between a quarter and a third of the Yellow ones and approximately one in six of the Black ones, along with 225 girls who weren’t on any of the lists. Including, I should point out, eight MORE Fire Emblem girls and three more Touhou girls (Cellica, Ellis [Elice], Fiona, Heather, Lena [Rena], Malliesia, Vaida and Vika and Lily Black, Maribel Han and Renko Usami respectively, for those who were curious) for a total of 115 of one and 73 of the other, accounting for just over 12.5% of the new 1482 girl total just between those two sources.

The following 21 girls have been added to the Black section:

...

These 71 girls were already on the Black list but have now been upgraded to the Yellow section:

...

And now for the fun part. All told, 283(!!) girls were added straight to the Yellow section, making this the largest single update to the lists ever and personally I’m in no big hurry to try and top it.

But then I saw this:

alasdair69 wrote:First, after digging through all those WhoreMaster pics (seems they actually have a 'lesbian' category as a requirement) I'm seriously considering easing up on the rules about Switch Hitter pics and allowing ones where the other female is someone recognizable so long as it's not someone else who's on the lists.

Then I:

(ttp://www.angelfire.com/comics/splitpersona/Atfirstbutthen.png)

First line sums it up:

http://blazen.thecomicseries.com/comics/20

Personally, I'm totally fine with this change in policies, though I do have one question and one suggestion for it. The question is whether or not non-electronic sex toys would be allowed (strap-ons and dildos are very common place in yuri). The suggestion is that the same 'nameless woman' does not appear more than twice in the three pictures that go into the game. I'd opt for having a different woman in every picture, but I think it would be best to be realistic (?) and leave some room for flexibility.

Oh, and my rage reaction was when I realized that I'd have to go back through all those image sets I had gone through, yet again.

alasdair69 wrote:Gundam - Universal Century: Aina Sahalin, Christina Mackenzie, Fa Yuiry, Frau Bow, Haman Karn, Katejina Loos, Marida Cruz, Mineva Lao Zabi, Nina Purpleton, Roux Luka, Sayla Mass/Artesia Som Deikun

This one.

Joshua wrote:it is generally believed however that eventually all the timelines meet up with correct century / turn A gundam (where the turn A is a Deus ex Machina in itself, it can freaking wipe out all technology from earth to jupiter in one swoop not to mention do anything, loran even used it as a freaking washing machine once)

Then you have to take into consideration the theory that the whole Gundam universe (at least the Universal Century one, anyway) was possibly created when Ideon remade the universe... Or something like that. I dunno, I remember my Gundam otaku friend mentioning that a long time ago... >.>

Oh, and Happy Year of the Rabbit(girl). Pixiv better make as big of a deal about 2012 as it did 2010 and 2011 (since that would be the Year of the Dragon, which also happens to be my birth year <.<).

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Re: Master List of Included and Suggested SimBrothel Girls

Post  alasdair69 on December 31st 2010, 3:28 pm

Joshua wrote:oh and there are three beatrices take your pic which one do you want to know about? (i all ready now the answer but still Twisted Evil)
Hang on a sec. *rifles through downloaded pics* This one:
Spoiler:
There was no info given, just a small cache of pics, so I can't be more specific than that.

Vava wrote:
alasdair69 wrote:First, after digging through all those WhoreMaster pics (seems they actually have a 'lesbian' category as a requirement) I'm seriously considering easing up on the rules about Switch Hitter pics and allowing ones where the other female is someone recognizable so long as it's not someone else who's on the lists.
Personally, I'm totally fine with this change in policies, though I do have one question and one suggestion for it. The question is whether or not non-electronic sex toys would be allowed (strap-ons and dildos are very common place in yuri). The suggestion is that the same 'nameless woman' does not appear more than twice in the three pictures that go into the game. I'd opt for having a different woman in every picture, but I think it would be best to be realistic (?) and leave some room for flexibility.
I'll answer your question first, partly because you asked it first but mostly because I actually understand it. I've personally avoided Switch Hitter pics that include faux-phalluses simply because, to me at least, it seems to defeat the purpose. As I asked a hard lesbian friend of mine once when the subject of her dildo came up in conversation (don't ask), "Why would you possibly have something like that anyway? If you don't like sex with real guys why would you want to have sex with a fake one?" Turns out it was for use on her bisexual girlfriend, which makes a certain degree of sense, but as for SimBro I guess I've always felt the idea of a woman paying to have sex with another woman who's pretending to be a man (i.e. using pretend man-parts) is more than a little silly, although admittedly that never seems to stop anyone in either porn or real life. Basically, what it boils down to is that I tend to stick with 'two girls, no toys' pics but that's just personal preference, as long as no actual male or any evidence of technology is involved then it should be acceptable.

As for your suggestion ... huh? scratch 'Nameless woman'? Wasn't the point of my pondering the possibility of allowing Switch Hitter pics with named women as long as they weren't someone else on the lists? 'Three pictures'? Last I checked, while it's an interesting addition to the game and all, girl-on-girl is still planned to be vastly in the minority, therefor requiring only one pic apiece. To say nothing of the fact that if we can't find 1000 otherwise workable girls who each have a pic it might not end up being included anyway, this is a blue sky project all the way. And of course, I'd still prefer pics where the other girl is, in fact, anonymous. I was simply musing that in a pinch one with a recognizable girl might not, in fact, be the end of the world as we know it and wondering what everyone else thought about it.

Vava wrote:Oh, and my rage reaction was when I realized that I'd have to go back through all those image sets I had gone through, yet again.
Heh, let me forward you the nine gigs of zip files I downloaded from WhoreMaster and then we'll talk. *snork* Seriously though, don't get crazed just yet, my friend, it's just an idea I had. I wanted to get everyone else's opinions on it before I decided whether or not to put it into practice.

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alasdair69 wrote:Gundam - Universal Century: Aina Sahalin, Christina Mackenzie, Fa Yuiry, Frau Bow, Haman Karn, Katejina Loos, Marida Cruz, Mineva Lao Zabi, Nina Purpleton, Roux Luka, Sayla Mass/Artesia Som Deikun

This one.
Yeah, I didn't figure there would be a problem with doing it that way but I'm not as conversant with Gundam as some (or as any really, since I've never watched a single episode of a single series in a single continuity) so I wanted to touch base with the experts to make sure.

Vava wrote:Oh, and Happy Year of the Rabbit(girl). Pixiv better make as big of a deal about 2012 as it did 2010 and 2011 (since that would be the Year of the Dragon, which also happens to be my birth year <.<).
You were born in 2012? Then what are you doing messing around with a hentai game? You're supposed to be at least 18 and you're what, -2?!? lol!
(And yes, I'm familiar with the Chinese Zodiac, I just can't pass up a chance to give Vava a hard time. Laughing )

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Post  Vava on December 31st 2010, 6:17 pm

alasdair69 wrote:I'll answer your question first, partly because you asked it first but mostly because I actually understand it. I've personally avoided Switch Hitter pics that include faux-phalluses simply because, to me at least, it seems to defeat the purpose. As I asked a hard lesbian friend of mine once when the subject of her dildo came up in conversation (don't ask), "Why would you possibly have something like that anyway? If you don't like sex with real guys why would you want to have sex with a fake one?" Turns out it was for use on her bisexual girlfriend, which makes a certain degree of sense, but as for SimBro I guess I've always felt the idea of a woman paying to have sex with another woman who's pretending to be a man (i.e. using pretend man-parts) is more than a little silly, although admittedly that never seems to stop anyone in either porn or real life. Basically, what it boils down to is that I tend to stick with 'two girls, no toys' pics but that's just personal preference, as long as no actual male or any evidence of technology is involved then it should be acceptable.

In the end, isn't a man just a faux-woman? Anyway, I was thinking more along the lines of the girl in question being the one on the receiving end of the strap-on instead of the other way around (basically replace the man with a woman; I had been playing too much of SlaveMaker 3 for a while, now). Also, to be fair, one lesbian can't speak for all of them. >.>

alasdair69 wrote:As for your suggestion ... huh? scratch 'Nameless woman'? Wasn't the point of my pondering the possibility of allowing Switch Hitter pics with named women as long as they weren't someone else on the lists?

Let me put it another way: 'nameless woman' *hyper-extended sarcastic tone* I was trying to allude that the woman was only nameless as far as the game was concerned and not in actuality a random generic character.

alasdair69 wrote:'Three pictures'? Last I checked, while it's an interesting addition to the game and all, girl-on-girl is still planned to be vastly in the minority, therefor requiring only one pic apiece. To say nothing of the fact that if we can't find 1000 otherwise workable girls who each have a pic it might not end up being included anyway, this is a blue sky project all the way. And of course, I'd still prefer pics where the other girl is, in fact, anonymous. I was simply musing that in a pinch one with a recognizable girl might not, in fact, be the end of the world as we know it and wondering what everyone else thought about it.

... We'd have to be very picky about who ends up with Switch Hitter, then, since I've got the feeling that at least a third of the girls could easily qualify for it. At the same time, though, I guess it makes it that much easier to pick and choose between them in the same way that we'll have to pick and choose girls for game inclusion.

Anyway, I have no qualms with Switch Hitter, so it's all good to me.

alasdair69 wrote:Heh, let me forward you the nine gigs of zip files I downloaded from WhoreMaster and then we'll talk. *snork* Seriously though, don't get crazed just yet, my friend, it's just an idea I had. I wanted to get everyone else's opinions on it before I decided whether or not to put it into practice.

I'm aware that for every figurative mile of hentai that I figuratively walk through, you figuratively crawl through three. I'd just prefer that I figuratively walk that one mile as opposed to figuratively walk three-fourths a mile, realize I forgot something very important, backtrack that three-fourths, and -then- walk back out the full mile. I would have figuratively travelled two-and-one-half miles when I had only gained a distance of one mile from my starting point. T~T

Translation: I'd like to actually get as many neccessary game-related tasks completed as I can, and so I am opposed to the possibly recurring scenario in which I believe that I have finished before realizing that I have to start over and have only succeeded in wasting everyone's time with my efforts.

alasdair69 wrote:You were born in 2012? Then what are you doing messing around with a hentai game? You're supposed to be at least 18 and you're what, -2?!? lol!
(And yes, I'm familiar with the Chinese Zodiac, I just can't pass up a chance to give Vava a hard time. Laughing )

I'd be less inclined to respond were it not that you could only draw such a conclusion by completely ignoring how the statement was structured. :/ The original wording was:

Vava wrote:Oh, and Happy Year of the Rabbit(girl). Pixiv better make as big of a deal about 2012 as it did 2010 and 2011 (since that would be the Year of the Dragon, which also happens to be my birth year <.<).

Since "which also happens to be my birth year" is an adjective clause, it must be placed directly after the noun which it is to describe. Since it is situated just after the noun "Year of the Dragon" and within the same set of parenthesi, it denotes that the "Year of the Dragon""also happens to be my birth year." If I had placed it after 2012, however, then it would imply that it is a property of 2012, therefore making your response more sensible. However, if I had placed it in the same sequence but just outside of the parenthesi, then it would be attached to 2011, which would imply that I'd be 0 years old sometime during the next year.

... Sunnava... Now I'm picturing all the places I could put that clause to make the statement make even less sense.

Oh, by the way, just for the record, I'm 22. I originally wanted to leave my age out since I had experienced age-based discrimination during my teenage years, but I figured I might as well come out and say it since I already gave away my birth year.

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Post  Joshua on December 31st 2010, 8:21 pm

damn it vava missed the joke, alsala knows you have to be a multiple of twelve, (in 2012) being 22 is irrelavent.

at the same time alsala missed my little post, was not a question if it was would be considered a trick question.

but o well, quick umineko leason.

First we have Beatrice, and her daughter Beatrice II, and then her child guess what the name is? Lion yea combo breaker, also AKA Beatrice III.

Family resemblence is super strong in this family the three of them are identical so it really is irrelavent, however, for simbro's sake, it Beatrice III, since the other two died.

oh last edit, them pirates be quick umineko 8 and the little 2d fighting game are allready on the net marry christmas to myself thank you santa santa now only if he will bring me the women for me or superpowers. lol!

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Post  Vava on December 31st 2010, 10:36 pm

Joshua wrote:damn it vava missed the joke, alsala knows you have to be a multiple of twelve, (in 2012) being 22 is irrelavent.

Nah, I understood what he was getting at, but I was just countering that it was sorta half-assed in my opinion. :/

Also, I know stating I'm 22 is irrelevant since basic math would say that my current age is some multiple of 12 minus 2, but I felt it would be best to clarify it rather than leaving possible guesses at 34, 46, 58, 70, etc. >.>

Joshua wrote:oh last edit, them pirates be quick umineko 8 and the little 2d fighting game are allready on the net marry christmas to myself thank you santa santa now only if he will bring me the women for me or superpowers. lol!

<.< >.>

Since I just found something of great relevance to me, I think I join in the "happy holidays to me" rant. What did I find, exactly? *inhale**exhale* It's a .PDF of a Monster Hunter doujin that contains a particular paraphilia of mine. While I'd normally not mention this at all, the doujin, itself, was only sold on one particular website, and this website would not ship internationally. I had been drooling over getting a chance to look through it for over a year, now, and someone was kind enough on 4chan to post a link to it, today (best... timing... ever). *sigh* Having an uncommon paraphilia sucks -so- much. There's only ever a little material of it available on the web, most of it being god-awful terrible quality furf****try garbage, and the communities typically leave me feeling like I've committed some sort of unforgiveable sin with their seemingly callous and shameless attitudes toward it.

... Oh, and, for the record, I don't have anything against furries. I just don't like the people who either push it (or their bad art) onto others or those who like to maintain some sort of 'fur-supremacy' in their works. Or those who go full-beast as opposed to even just an anthropomorphic animal.

<.< >.>

... I said too much, again, didn't I?

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Post  alasdair69 on January 1st 2011, 5:28 am

*sigh* Where to begin? I guess I’ll start with Switch Hitter, and I’ll start that by breaking the issue down into its component parts and spelling them out as clearly as possible. I’m well aware that no one has a problem with including Switch Hitter in the game, if anyone did they would have said something by now and, to date, they have not. Therefore, if one acceptable pic can be found for each applicable girl it will be included and if they cannot then it will not, that much has been a given from the beginning. What is decidedly less definitive, however, are what exactly constitutes an acceptable pic and which girls are to be considered applicable and this is where we get to the crux of the matter.

1) Acceptability of Pics: The rules for Switch Hitter pics have been exactly the same as for regular hetero pics thus far, and if everyone feels they should stay that way then they can. However, I have been considering easing the restriction on identifiable partners for two reasons: it would enable us to include girls whose lesbian pics could not be adequately cropped and in cases where the creators of an anime built up sexual tension between a girl and another female character for fanservice purposes it would be amusing to actually see that tension taken to its logical conclusion. I am, however, not certain yet whether or not I’m going to ease that restriction, and that was what I wanted to get everyone else’s opinions on before making my final decision.
2) Applicability of Girls: To which girls, exactly, would Switch Hitter be applicable anyway? Definitely for any who are either confirmed or highly implied to be either lesbian or bisexual in their original continuity, as well as any who were originally male. In a perfect world, however, we would have a Switch Hitter pic ‘on standy’, as it were, for all 1000 girls who end up being included in the game and I’ll tell you why. In my original version of the training mechanic there was a type of class or other function a girl could take part in to raise each stat and each also provided additional benefits if specialized training was implemented after the basics were completed; there was essentially a Beginners, Mid-Level and Advanced course for each stat, with each level providing progressively greater benefits. The end result of the Advanced Sex-Ed course was to allow the girl to purchase the Switch Hitter Trait, thereby increasing your possible customer base by including women as well as men. Obviously, if every girl could conceivably be taught to be a Switch Hitter, then every girl would need a Switch Hitter pic. This is not graven in stone, though. The original training mechanic I devised was based on the original Trait/Theme structure and will require much alteration to adapt it to the newer Type/Trait/Theme structure, once that’s finally nailed down completely. What this means in practice is that we have some wiggle room. If we can’t find 1000 girls with Switch Hitter pics to have at the ready, then I’ll just limit the Trait to those it would especially apply to and make the end result of the Advanced Sex-Ed course something else. I would prefer to keep it as is, of course, if for no other reason than the fewer things I have to completely redo the quicker I can get the whole thing done. The option is there however, as a failsafe.

Now, on to some specific points:

Vava wrote:Anyway, I was thinking more along the lines of the girl in question being the one on the receiving end of the strap-on instead of the other way around (basically replace the man with a woman; I had been playing too much of SlaveMaker 3 for a while, now). Also, to be fair, one lesbian can't speak for all of them. >.>
Ultimately, who’s pitching and who’s catching is irrelevant. As I said,
alasdair69 wrote:Basically, what it boils down to is that I tend to stick with 'two girls, no toys' pics but that's just personal preference, as long as no actual male or any evidence of technology is involved then it should be acceptable.
And I’m well aware that one lesbian can’t speak for all of them, which is why I also said,
alasdair69 wrote:…although admittedly that never seems to stop anyone in either porn or real life.

Vava wrote:Let me put it another way: 'nameless woman' *hyper-extended sarcastic tone* I was trying to allude that the woman was only nameless as far as the game was concerned and not in actuality a random generic character.
Oh, of course. How could I have possibly missed that? *rolls eyes*

Vava wrote:I'm aware that for every figurative mile of hentai that I figuratively walk through, you figuratively crawl through three. I'd just prefer that I figuratively walk that one mile as opposed to figuratively walk three-fourths a mile, realize I forgot something very important, backtrack that three-fourths, and -then- walk back out the full mile. I would have figuratively travelled two-and-one-half miles when I had only gained a distance of one mile from my starting point. T~T
If you’re aware of that then you should be aware that of all people, I can sympathize. That was exactly one of the reasons I opened it up for debate instead of just making a unilateral decision, if everyone feels that it’s unnecessary or more trouble than it’s worth then we can just keep doing things like we have been. And on top of asking no more from my team than I’m willing to give myself, I would never ask more than you feel up to giving, so if everyone felt it was a good idea but you personally didn’t want to do the legwork, I’d get around to doing it myself one of these days, no biggie. I’m truly grateful for everything you’ve chosen to do for this game so far, especially since I also truly understand how stressful it can be, and you’re free to make the choice to do or not do this as it pleases you.

Vava wrote:Translation: I'd like to actually get as many neccessary game-related tasks completed as I can, and so I am opposed to the possibly recurring scenario in which I believe that I have finished before realizing that I have to start over and have only succeeded in wasting everyone's time with my efforts.
I understand your frustration, I really do. Now you understand something. I got roped into this, I never wanted to be in charge and I fought against it for a long time. I have no clue how to put a game together, I just wanted to present my ideas to a Dev Team and watch them get brought to life but all I ever encountered was drama, god complexes and apathy. Hells, even when I convinced Raed to start this forum, hoping we could actually get something done finally, HE was supposed to be in charge. So yeah, I’m winging this. I’m making more mistakes than anything and just hoping that I catch them in time and backtrack before they get too out of hand. I’m learning as I go. So I’m sorry things keep changing and that my stalwart efforts to keep from dropping more changes than necessary on you guys makes it take forever and a bloody day for me to get anything done. But I’m doing the best I can here, okay?

*exhale*

Sorry, I got a little terse there. But you’re not the only one who gets frustrated from time to time, you know.

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alasdair69 wrote:You were born in 2012? Then what are you doing messing around with a hentai game? You're supposed to be at least 18 and you're what, -2?!? lol!
(And yes, I'm familiar with the Chinese Zodiac, I just can't pass up a chance to give Vava a hard time. Laughing )
I'd be less inclined to respond were it not that you could only draw such a conclusion by completely ignoring how the statement was structured. :/ The original wording was:
Oh look, make a joke, get an English lesson. This is what I get for trying to be personable, I suppose. Won’t make that mistake again.

Joshua wrote:damn it vava missed the joke, alsala knows you have to be a multiple of twelve, (in 2012) being 22 is irrelavent.
Vava wrote:Nah, I understood what he was getting at, but I was just countering that it was sorta half-assed in my opinion. :/
Then rest assured that from now on I’ll be ‘whole-assed’ when I want to be an ‘ass-hole’.

Joshua wrote:at the same time alsala missed my little post, was not a question if it was would be considered a trick question.

but o well, quick umineko leason.

First we have Beatrice, and her daughter Beatrice II, and then her child guess what the name is? Lion yea combo breaker, also AKA Beatrice III.

Family resemblence is super strong in this family the three of them are identical so it really is irrelavent, however, for simbro's sake, it Beatrice III, since the other two died.
Wait, I thought Lion was just Yasu from an alternate world? No, on second thought never mind. We could talk about Beatrice Castiglioni, Kuwadorian Beatrice, Yasu-Beatrice, Eva-Beatrice, Ange-Beatrice, the resurrected Beatrice, the Witch of Rokkenjima and even Virgilia (an ex-Beatrice) until the end of time and I probably still won’t understand it. Basically, all that really matters is which one would be alive and going by the name Beatrice in 1998, since that’s when Ange is old enough to be included in the game also.

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Post  alasdair69 on January 1st 2011, 3:42 pm

I apologize for my outburst, it's highly unlike me to lose my composure like that. I know it's no excuse but I've been under a lot of pressure lately (not all of which pertains to SimBro, although quite a bit does) and when I read Vava's message I felt like I was being lambasted for not being perfect when I've been struggling so hard to keep my head above water just being adequate. I'm going to take a couple of days off and de-stress, then I guess I'll see if I still have a team left when I get back. If so, then I look forward to working with you all again once my head's a little straighter. If not, then I understand. Just know that I've greatly enjoyed working with you all and sincerely thank you for everything you guys have done to help me out with a very difficult project.

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Post  Vava on January 1st 2011, 8:07 pm

*inhale**exhale*

... I was planning on making a long-winded apology, but I think it would be best if I just kept the emotional drama that's sticking to the back of my throat inside me and try to make this as short and sweet as I can so my words don't become counterproductive and only hurt you more.

I'll start by saying that, in perhaps every post I have made on this forum, I do not recall having once conciously tried to convey that I was truly angered, offended or otherwise upset by anyone's statements, fun-poking or suggested ideas (save for those made by myself and myself, alone). All my recent whining and naysaying has been (what I think it may have been, anyway, since I don't even understand why I behave the way I do) either my way of testing a person's conviction to their ideas (As in, to see if their idea is more of a passing thought or something they are seriously taking into consideration. Going off of personal experience, I think sometimes all we need is a 'wake up call' to know when we haven't quite thought our ideas out and need a little time to restructure it or if it should be dropped altogether. I know my examples are never as close-to-home as they should be, but if all humans just decided to do whatever first comes to their imagination without thinking about it, well... Let's just say it would be a huge mess...) or it is some pathetic attempt of mine to be personable, myself.

Of course, in real life, my statements would normally be accompanied by facial expressions, body language, voice fluxuation, etc. in order to better convey what I am trying to say, and so much of the meaning in my words becomes lost when put strictly into text (that shaky period that was caused by this same issue with communication when the biorhythm idea was suggested never left my mind). Even though I knew this, I continued to simply type out whatever came to mind first, much in the same manner as if I were actually talking. It took me 'till your 4:28 am post to realize that I had been coming off as a real jerk for way too long, and so now I've spent the last six or seven hours trying to straighten my thoughts just enough to make an appropriate apology.

... To be honest, I've been wanting to disappear from this project for some time, now... However... that's because, the longer I stayed, the more I believed my 'assistance' to be a mortal detriment to the game. My ideas, anarchic and emotionless. My opinions, ignorant and biased. My pictures, hideous and irredemable. This sense of infiriority has been haunting me and growing for many months, and seeing the results of my offensive behavior makes me want to erase all my effort and disappear in dishonor...

... But... if I were to do that, then I'd just be running away from yet another project I want to see fulfilled. I'd be running away not just on myself, but on everyone who has wanted to see this project take off and evolve into a full game. Hell, seeing to that was even in my (last-minute :/) New Year's resolutions:

http://mugen-h-english.forumotion.com/t564-happy-new-years

*inhale**exhale* ... To sum all that long-winded, dramafag bullshit of mine up in a few words, I'm sorry for the way I was behaving. My initial ignorance of the impact of what I was doing is no excuse. I greatly upset and offended you while having the audacity to complain about what little workload I was picking up like the ungrateful bitch I am. For all of that, I am sorry.

... I'm also sorry if anything in this apology has only upset you more. I'm trying my best to word this in such a way that I can convey myself sincerely, but, with every keystroke, the fear that my words will be seen as further insult increases. I'm fumbling for the right things to say, but something in my throat keeps choking all my words back...

... On a final note, I would not be unhappy to go back and try to find pictures for Switch Hitter. For now, though, I'll continue to do my best to find acceptable pictures and to cite potential girls until further notice.

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Post  alasdair69 on January 2nd 2011, 12:34 am

Yes, I know I said I was going to take a couple of days off but I just couldn’t help a quick peek (more or less expecting to see one or more people abandoning ship) and felt that I should go ahead and say something so you won’t be on pins and needles the whole time wondering whether your apology offended/angered me. Rest assured that while you have said some things lately that have pissed me off, this can’t be counted amongst them. Hells, if anything my own little meltdown offended me worse than anything you’ve said or done the entire time I’ve known you, which is why I feel the need for a break. Have you come across as something of a douche on a couple of occasions? Yes you have. And so have I. And so has pretty much everyone else. We’re human, it happens. You were man enough to sack up and apologize for your douchery and that’s good enough for me, please accept this as an apology for mine as well. There are a couple of brief points I’d like to make and then hopefully we can put this whole mess behind us and get on with the fun stuff.

First, and this goes for everyone, please bear in mind that everything I said was true, I really am making this up as I go along; not just the game itself but the process for creating it. As such, I can either throw every demented idea I have at you guys and we can all do a lot of backtracking and duplication of effort as things prove unworkable or I can try to work things out as best I can and only present them to you guys when they’re set in stone, which takes forever. I’ve tried to maintain a balancing act between the two extremes as best I can, taking the time to almost fully work things out before presenting them, but as this is still very much a work in progress some changes to the original plan are going to have to be made once in a while. I don’t like it any more than you guys do, but it’s just the nature of the beast.

I couldn’t agree more with your statement about everyone needing a ‘wake up call’ once in a while, especially since I am playing this whole thing by ear. It’s no secret that Fred and I tend to not get along so famously, gods know we both had our douche-ness cranked up to eleven during that oh so lovely chat about biorhythms, but he actually gave me a wake up call about Themes and I thank him for it. So by all means everyone feel free to keep calling me out on my more outré ideas, if they can’t stand up to debate then they don’t deserve to be implemented and we can weed out the bad ones through natural selection. All I ask is that it take the form of constructive criticism, as lectures and self-righteousness will only set me on edge and make me get defensive.

On a related note, I like to think that I’ve been pretty good about pointing out when something is to be considered a hard and fast policy or a stray thought I’d like input on, and yet more than once (including the whole Switch Hitter debacle) I’ve asked for opinions only to have everyone react as if I’d issued a decree. Either I’m not getting my point across as well as I thought or everyone else is making assumptions, I’m honestly not sure which, but in either case the problem would be avoided if, when I bring up an idea or suggestion, everyone carefully read what I say and if anything, anything at all, is vague or uncertain, get clarification before reacting to it.

I also agree about the limitations of purely textual communication. That’s something we should all keep in mind at all times as, to my knowledge, none of us have ever met face to face, nor are likely to ever do so, thus it is our only means of conveying our ideas and opinions to one another and working together towards a common goal. Let’s all use it as a resource, not as an impediment.

You are your own worst critic. You may feel that your ideas are ‘anarchic and emotionless’, your opinions ‘ignorant and biased’ and your pictures ‘hideous and irredeemable’ but I don’t think anyone else does. I know I don’t. Your contribution to this project has been second only to my own, and that’s only because I took it upon myself to recreate the game wholecloth and you didn’t. Hells, how many of the original suggestions that I’m using as a basis for my game model came from you in the first place? Face it my friend, whether you like it or not or want to admit it or not, SimBro would be the poorer without you.

Which brings me to ‘what little workload you’ve been picking up’. As I stated, your contribution to this project has been second only to my own and if you’d decided to revamp the game before I did our positions would probably be reversed right now. You’ve brainstormed, pic-mined, suggested new girls, been my voice on other forums, even helped correct other people’s contributions, all of which I’m grateful for so don’t disrespect your own accomplishments like that. By the same token, however, you need to learn a lesson that’s taken me years to grasp and I still don’t quite have a handle on it yet myself: you’ve chosen to do every bit of it by your own free will. Now, contrary to how that probably came across, I’m not chiding you for ‘whining like an ungrateful bitch’, as you put it, I’m reminding you that this is all volunteer effort and you should be careful to not volunteer yourself for so much that it ends up stressing you out. I realize that coming from me that’s the equivalent of ‘don’t do as I do, do as I say do’ (my mother always told me I should set an example, I guess she just left out the part about it being a good one) but even I decided quite some time ago that I have far too many other stresses in my life to let a game that I chose to work on send me to the room with the rubber wallpaper. So by all means, do all that you want to do to help make this game happen and help make it great, I’ll take advantage of your assistance mercilessly. But know where to draw the line and know when to step back and walk away from it for an hour or a day or however long it takes to decompress and go back to enjoying it all again, okay?

With that said, I’m going to follow my own advice now and step back and walk away for a day or two. I’ve had a lot on my mind lately, most of which has nothing whatsoever to do with SimBro but if recent events are any indication I need some ‘me time’ to calm my frazzled nerves. I’ll be back soon and hopefully we’ll all be ready to start having fun with this again. It’s a game, it’s supposed to be fun. *nods*

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Post  alasdair69 on January 4th 2011, 11:22 am

Well, the good news is that I'm now mostly rested and relaxed and ready to work on the game again. The bad news is that my vacation is over and I go back to work today. *snork* And I had such grand plans for everything I was going to get accomplished while I was off, too. Oh well, I guess it's back to working on it a few hours a day and on my day off again. *shrug*

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Post  Joshua on January 4th 2011, 12:19 pm

Well the first week of january tends to do that to people, as much as id like to stay around at home or have fun for the rest of my life those bills don't pay themselves, and im not rich, so what can you do?

but since the arguments do not involve me or i understand and what not i tend to ignore it.

as for the whole switch hitter thing, thats lesbian right? I think i have a quote from Family guy, 'hey chicks need love too, except fat chicks, they need to pay!'

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Post  greatwhite on January 5th 2011, 12:09 am

Joshua wrote:
but since the arguments do not involve me or i understand and what not i tend to ignore it.

as for the whole switch hitter thing, thats lesbian right? I think i have a quote from Family guy, 'hey chicks need love too, except fat chicks, they need to pay!'

i agree with this

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Post  alasdair69 on January 5th 2011, 7:08 pm

Joshua wrote:as for the whole switch hitter thing, thats lesbian right? I think i have a quote from Family guy, 'hey chicks need love too, except fat chicks, they need to pay!'
Well, as I said before I know no one has a problem throwing a little girl-on-girl into the mix, if they did they would have said something already. The question that I've been trying to get some feedback on for the last week now is this: In a case where we're not able to find a pic for a given girl in which either her female partner is already anonymous or the face of said partner can be cropped out without making the pic too small or otherwise ruining it, what do you guys think about the possibility of allowing in pics with a recognizable female partner as long as it's not another girl who's going to be in the game? On the plus side, it would allow Switch Hitter pics for some girls who wouldn't otherwise have any and in a case where there was some implied 'special friendship' between the two characters in the original anime or game it would be really funny. On the minus side, it would mean going back over a lot of ground that we've already trod picking up those pics we skipped the first time around. It was just an idea that struck me and I'm curious what everyone else thinks about it before I make a final decision about whether or not to implement it.

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Post  Joshua on January 5th 2011, 10:32 pm

defends i think it should be more of a how generic is the other female, if you recall one of the wang liu meis lesbo pic i sent had summeragi, however summeragi dose not have lets say for example stockings two toned hair colors, she has brown hair brown eyes, and a hair cut that is not out of this world, (only thing i can think of would be certain pokemon female hairdoos) should not really be a problem, though certain females that do no appear in the game would work too.

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Post  Vava on January 5th 2011, 11:03 pm

Personally, I'm 100% okay with the adjustment to the Switch Hitter conditions since it was pretty hard to find a picture that either had an anonymous female or could be cropped (especially since cropping typically just ended up compromising the picture entirely, anyway :/). I started taking this into consideration as I was going through the Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya images on g.e, but then I realized something: I didn't know who -wasn't- going to be in the game. Going off what I've got right now, I have:

1 picture of Emiri Kimidori (:/)
61 pictures of Haruhi Suzumiya
7 pictures of Kyonko (more crossgender <.<)
55 pictures of Mikuru Asahina
18 pictures of Ryoko Asakura (I'm surprised she wasn't on the list, yet)
22 pictures of Tsuruya (Why are so many characters only known by one name in this series?)
51 pictures of Yuki Nagato

Without knowing which of these girls would end up making it into the game as accessible characters, I was no longer sure if I was saving pictures that would be needed or that would end up being unusable, anyway. So, for now, I'm putting my Switch Hitter searches on hold. I know this will warrant covering the same ground, again, in the future, but I'm okay with that. I've said this enough, already, but I'm still prioritizing getting girls onto the Green list for the time being.

Which brings up my next suggestion: I think a deadline needs to be set for the girls. I'm not good at structuring things like this, but I think the terms would look something like:

• By XXX XX, 201X, suggestions for new girls will be postponed. Pictures of girls on the last by this time shall be tallied to determine whether or not they meet the minimum requirements. Images for girls who do not meet the requirements may still be gathered at this time.
• By YYY XX, 201X, if 999 or fewer girls have met the minimum requirements or if there is an inadequate number of nuns, valkyries and angels, the list will once again be open to suggestions until an appropriate time can be determined.
• By YYY XX, 201X, if exactly 1000 girls have met the minimum requirements and an adequate number of nuns, valkyries and angels are included, they shall be applied directly to the game's final roster. Suggestions for new girls from this point shall become void.
• By YYY XX, 201X, if more than 1000 girls have met the minimum requirements and an adequate number of nuns, valkyries and angels are included, they will be set aside and suggestions for new girls shall become void. The girls who have met the requirements will then be carefully questioned, weighed, etc. until a list of exactly 1000 is settled upon and those 1000 girls will be applied to the game's final roster.

... I don't know if I'll be able to word that any better. I know the last thing we need is to apply pressure to ourselves, and I also know that, if a deadline is, indeed, set, then many girls who might be able to get in later might not get to be in (Damn you, Makoto and dat ass tail!). However, I think it might be necessary. Once the 1000 girls have been settled upon, we'd be able to work on almost every aspect of the game's design (Types, Traits, story arcs, tier/function niches, etc) by comparing and contrasting the girls in the game. I dunno, I guess I just think that not having at least a solid roster to use as a base has been an impediment. But that's just me, so I need to know what everyone thinks of this, especially Al, since this is his brainchild that I'm suggesting we induce into labor (potentially prematurely :S).

Closing, I think that "XXX XX, 201X" should either be July 1st or August 1st, 2010, giving us a good seven or eight months to get more girls in, with "YYY XX, 201X" being either October 1st or November 1st, 2010, respectively, for another three months to finalize what we've got. Maybe these dates are unrealistic, but I'm actually fairly confident that this could prove to be ample time. I dunno, I thought I'd at least get the idea for setting a deadline out there.

Oh, and (@ Joshua) I finally saw episode 13 of Panty & Stocking. ... I don't think they could have made a more fitting ending to the first season/start to the second season.

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Post  greatwhite on January 5th 2011, 11:14 pm

what about lesbian pics where the girl is with herself?
like a clone or some what like that

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Post  Vava on January 9th 2011, 12:11 am

Skipping an introduction and going straight to what I've just uploaded.

Blue List (7)

Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya: Haruhi Suzumiya, Mikuru Asahina
Metroid: Samus Aran
My-HiME: Mai Tokiha
Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind: Kushana, Nausicaa
Neon Genesis Evangelion: Rei Ayanami

Green List (3)

Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya: Tsuruya, Yuki Nagato
Neon Genesis Evangelion: Mari Illustrious Makinami

Yellow List (14)

Full Metal Panic!: Kaname Chidori
Kiddy Grade: Éclair, Lumiere
Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya: Ryoko Asakura
My-HiME: Haruka Suzushiro, Nao Yuuki, Natsuki Kuga, Yukariko Sanada
Neon Genesis Evangelion: Hikari Horaki, Maya Ibuki, Ritsuko Akagi
Pretty Cure - Fresh Pretty Cure!: Setsuna ‘Cure Passion/Eas [Isu]’ Higashi
Pretty Cure - We are Pretty Cure: Hannah ‘Cure White’ Whitehouse [Honoka Yukishiro], Natalie ’Cure Black’ Blackstone [Nagisa Misumi]

Black List (5)

My-HiME: Mikoto Managi
Pretty Cure - Fresh Pretty Cure!: Inori ‘Cure Pine’ Yamabuki, Love ‘Cure Peach/Angel’ Momozono, Miki ‘Cure Berry’ Aono
Super Robot Wars: Tytti Norback

Not on the Lists (21)

Full Metal Panic!: Melissa Mao
Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya: Emiri Kimidori, Kyonko
My-HiME: Akane Higurashi, Akira Okuzaki, Shizuru Fujino
Neon Genesis Evangelion: Mana Kirishima, Midori Sugiya
Pretty Cure - Fresh Pretty Cure!: Northa/Nayuta Kita
Super Robot Wars: Alfimi/Alchimie/Alchemy? (Alfimie Einst?), Cliana 'Rim' Rimskaya, Irui, Irui Gan Eden, Koma, Kyon, Lefina Enfield, Mai Kobayashi, Mina Likering, Ouka Nagisa, Ryuune/Ryune Zoldark (Lune Souldark?), Setsuko Ohara

Just realized I had mispelled Yukariko 'Yurariko'... Oh well. Also, I'm aware that all the Kaname pictures can already be found on the board, but I wanted to make it legit for myself, at least.

So, why the sudden burst with the SRW characters? To be honest, I had been hanging onto them for a long time, now, hoping that I would eventually gain access to certain CG sets, but, about a week ago, I got impatient and tried looking for them, myself. I ended up getting a virus on the laptop. :/

So what did I learn? That I've apparently got an unhealthy obsession with getting those CGs, especially when I'm looking for pictures for SimBro girls. They're actually in pretty good quality and possess many pictures that could easily make or break a lot of the girls in the series. However, I decided it was probably best to just let it go (and maybe just buy them, later, since I like the artists' work). To combat this, I've submitted most of the characters I had been holding back on and taking a rest on picture mining in general for a few days or so.

While I am a big SRW fan (perhaps bigger than I realize <.<), I'm well aware that, even if every girl in the series had readily-available art of excellent quality and quantity, only a few should have 'reserved seats,' so to speak. After all, there are still plenty of other interesting girls out there. Still, I thought that I'd at least bring them up to increase their awareness.

Some quick things to mention in closing. First, I couldn't find anything on Yukino Kikukawa. I really couldn't. Second, technically Irui is Irui Gan Eden in a more practical(?) avatar, but I have them separated for some reason or another. Why I didn't do this with the PreCure girls (especially Setsuna) I do not know... Third, I don't know what the correct spelling for Alfimi/Alchimie is (I vote for Alfimi, personally, but that's just me) or if 'Einst' should be applied to her as a last name. Fourth, I'll announce what I'll take up next after I come back from a break for a few days. I need to clear my head a little and try to get this annoying pulse in my right eye to stop. Lastly, I honestly could only find one picture of Tytti. I know there is at least one CG set out there with the Masoukishin girls, but, as I said, I wouldn't know where to find it if it is still available on the net (it was on g.e, but some people are really intolerant of anything even partially loli and got the set removed :/).

(EDIT: Forgot about Northa's alternate alias. :/)

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Post  alasdair69 on January 9th 2011, 9:43 pm

Vava wrote:Personally, I'm 100% okay with the adjustment to the Switch Hitter conditions since it was pretty hard to find a picture that either had an anonymous female or could be cropped (especially since cropping typically just ended up compromising the picture entirely, anyway :/). I started taking this into consideration as I was going through the Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya images on g.e, but then I realized something: I didn't know who -wasn't- going to be in the game.
Well, the simplest solution to that is actually to save every potential Switch Hitter pic and then discard the ones that have other SimBro girls as the customer once the final roster is established. That’s what I’ve been doing. *shrug*

Vava wrote:I've said this enough, already, but I'm still prioritizing getting girls onto the Green list for the time being.
Which brings up my next suggestion: I think a deadline needs to be set for the girls.

Vava wrote:I know the last thing we need is to apply pressure to ourselves, and I also know that, if a deadline is, indeed, set, then many girls who might be able to get in later might not get to be in (Damn you, Makoto and dat ass tail!). However, I think it might be necessary. Once the 1000 girls have been settled upon, we'd be able to work on almost every aspect of the game's design (Types, Traits, story arcs, tier/function niches, etc) by comparing and contrasting the girls in the game. I dunno, I guess I just think that not having at least a solid roster to use as a base has been an impediment. But that's just me, so I need to know what everyone thinks of this, especially Al, since this is his brainchild that I'm suggesting we induce into labor (potentially prematurely :S).
I can easily understand everything that Vava is saying here and sympathize with his viewpoint, however I must disagree strongly with the concept of any arbitrary deadline being levied against any aspect of this particular game design process. In general, we have too few people trying to accomplish too much, most of which we are ill-prepared for or otherwise un-knowledgeable in, and all of us have, at one time or another, had weird left field BS come at us which necessitated lengthy delays and periods during which nothing at all could get done (and yes, I’m painfully aware that all of the preceding applies far more to me personally than to everyone else combined). But while deadlines in general are, I feel, unnecessarily restrictive in this case, applying one to the girl roster in particular is actively counter-productive. See, I don’t know how anyone else does this sort of thing but the way I work the final roster is going to be based on the various aspects of the game mechanic just as much as the various aspects of the game mechanic are going to be based on the final roster, in other words they need to be developed concurrently. I get ideas from the various suggested girls that help me flesh out various aspects of the game, which in turn opens new niches and brings to mind still more girls, etc., etc., ad infinitum. So, while I try real hard never to do this, I’m going to dust off my Executive Privilege and state categorically that the only deadline for suggesting new girls is going to be the day Fred writes the very last line of code and the game is ready to roll.

But …

Vava IS 100% correct in his reasoning except that it’s not the occasional suggestions of girls to possibly include that are causing everything to bog down and grind to a halt, it’s the time sucking quagmire of actually doing all the research on them and updating/maintaining the master lists when several hundred girls get dumped in at once, as has happened something like three times now in rapid suggestion. As such, since I’ve got my Executive Privilege out already and all, I’m calling, not a deadline but a temporary moratorium on new girl suggestions, affective immediately, to last until we can get the lists back under control and a firmer grasp on just which girls on them are eligible for the final roster and which aren’t at this time. I can’t get into my plans to get the list issue under control just yet but the roster eligibility issue is much simpler, mostly because the way I’ve been doing it up to now is pretty retarded. *snork* Part of being OCD, I guess, is that I often end up doing things the hard way when a much simpler way exists and I finally realized that’s what I’ve been doing with the process of moving girls from the Yellow list to the Green one. The details of how I have been doing it are irrelevant (not to mention somewhat embarrassing in hindsight) but from now on all I’m going to do is check the pics I’ve found or had sent to me/posted/whatever and if at least three h-pics of acceptable quality and content are there then poof, off to the Green list they go. I can worry about checking for better ones and making final selections among them later, for right now all that really matters is whether or not the girl has enough pics to be considered eligible and this will greatly streamline and speed up the process of determining that.

Bear in mind that all we’re determining here is whether a girl is or is not a candidate for inclusion in the final roster, as stated final selection of which girls make it into the game will come much farther down the road, after almost the entirety of the game design is finished since the girl roster and the game design feed off each other in essentially equal measures. And once the current issues with the lists and the research are settled, the moratorium on new suggestions will be lifted and we can start adding more girls again. I’ve said this before, more than once, but I’d like to have a lot more than ‘just’ 1000 girls to choose from when it comes time to make the final selection so we can choose the ones who fit the best and are the coolest instead of having to settle for the first 1000 we get who have enough pics.

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Post  Vava on January 26th 2011, 11:05 pm

<.< >.>

Sooo... Three things I wanna mention, I guess.

The first is a request to Al: I want you to send me whatever display pictures (Were they called 'glamour shots?' The larger pictures, the ones that aren't simply the girl's face) you have currently ready. I'd like to touch up on the Wiki by getting the pictures to match what we're (possibly) going to use in-game and setting up statistic tables on the girls' pages.

The second thing I'd like to bring up is something that I've been thinking should be incorporated for a while, now. I'm thinking that the initial price for a girl should be partially determined by her stats (her Charisma, Sex and Constitution, as in the first game (maybe on the Con; I need to play-test, again)), but largely determined by a fixed, unspecified number that the individual girl has, which I'm calling a Price Modifier. The in-game logic behind this is that you would expect to pay more for the contract of a princess, celebrity, exotic race, etc. than you would for the average girl. The game mechanic logic behind this is that girls who have better Traits and/or potential should cost more. Anyway, it's not much of an idea and I have a suspicion that this was already going to be incorporated, but I thought I'd mention it.

Lastly, I'd like to opt for either an extension (retraction?) on the stat ranges that had previously been set forth, since I think way too many girls end up in the Average range in most stats, or for stats to be recorded (out of game) as a set number, but for the game to apply a ±X modifier. I dunno, I'd just like to avoid seeing the word 'Average' pop up frequently when designing the girls stats.

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Post  alasdair69 on January 26th 2011, 11:34 pm

Vava wrote:The first is a request to Al: I want you to send me whatever display pictures (Were they called 'glamour shots?' The larger pictures, the ones that aren't simply the girl's face) you have currently ready. I'd like to touch up on the Wiki by getting the pictures to match what we're (possibly) going to use in-game and setting up statistic tables on the girls' pages.
That's actually one of the many things that are on my so-called 'short list' to do once I'm done determining who's ready to go Green. And after all that's done, maybe I can finally start working on the game model again.

Vava wrote:The second thing I'd like to bring up is something that I've been thinking should be incorporated for a while, now. I'm thinking that the initial price for a girl should be partially determined by her stats (her Charisma, Sex and Constitution, as in the first game (maybe on the Con; I need to play-test, again)), but largely determined by a fixed, unspecified number that the individual girl has, which I'm calling a Price Modifier. The in-game logic behind this is that you would expect to pay more for the contract of a princess, celebrity, exotic race, etc. than you would for the average girl. The game mechanic logic behind this is that girls who have better Traits and/or potential should cost more. Anyway, it's not much of an idea and I have a suspicion that this was already going to be incorporated, but I thought I'd mention it.
Once again, you've read my mind: the way I've always seen it working, each girl would have a set base price which would then be modified by the applicable stats, etc. That way, not only would a girl's price reflect her inherent value vis-a-vis origin and Types but since the stats themselves are randomly modified each time you play the same girl could have a very different price each time.

Vava wrote:Lastly, I'd like to opt for either an extension (retraction?) on the stat ranges that had previously been set forth, since I think way too many girls end up in the Average range in most stats, or for stats to be recorded (out of game) as a set number, but for the game to apply a ±X modifier. I dunno, I'd just like to avoid seeing the word 'Average' pop up frequently when designing the girls stats.
Not entirely sure what you're getting at here. First off, since 'average', by it's very definition, means representative of the majority then shouldn't it pop up frequently? Otherwise, we'll have more really good girls and really bad girls than we do regular girls, which is kind of skewed. Secondly, don't forget that the 'near-nonexistent' through 'average' to 'near-godlike' ranges are modifiers. Each stat for each girl will be determined randomly within a fixed range, then modified based on the girl herself and then modified again based on what district she was originally from and all 'average' really means in this case is that particular modifier will be either non-existent or very small. Third, a girl's Types, Themes and Traits will be at least as important to her effective utilization as her stats, so even two girls who are completely average across the board stat-wise could end up with widely varying degrees of utility, especially in different neighborhoods.

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